We have described the AR-15’s capacities in abundant detail to demonstrate just how far outside the animating purposes of the Second Amendment this weapon lies. While we know that the AR-15 thrives in combat, mass murder, and overpowering police, appellants have failed to demonstrate that the weapon is suitable for self-defense. This is likely because such a showing would be difficult to make. Indeed, many of the weapon’s combat-functional features make it ill-suited for the vast majority of self-defense situations in which civilians find themselves
To wit: the heightened firepower of AR-15s “pose[s] a serious risk of ‘overpenetration’—that is, [bullets] passing through their intended target and impacting a point beyond it.” For example, AR-15 rounds “can pass through most construction materials, even at ranges of 350 yards,” thereby threatening the lives of “bystanders, family members, or other innocent persons well outside the intended target area.” (“[R]ounds from assault weapons have the ability to easily penetrate most materials used in standard home construction, car doors, and similar materials.”). Overpenetration poses a grave risk in the home—“where the need for defense of self, family, and property is most acute,” because firing an AR-15 in close quarters will often put the safety of cohabitants and neighbors in jeopardy.
The large magazines that are integral to the AR-15’s effectiveness in combat and mass murder are also ill-suited for typical self-defense scenarios. As the First Circuit has noted, “civilian self-defense rarely—if ever—calls for the rapid and uninterrupted discharge of many shots.” Indeed, “most homeowners only use two to three rounds of ammunition in self-defense,” with one study finding that when citizens fire shots in self-defense, they fire an average of two shots and, 97% of the time, fire five shots or fewer.
The AR-15 also does not have any of the advantages that the Supreme Court identified in Heller as establishing the handgun as the “quintessential self-defense weapon . . . for home defense.” Compared to a handgun, the AR-15 is heavier, longer, harder to maneuver in tight quarters, less readily accessible in an emergency, and more difficult to operate with one hand.
Outside the home, the AR-15 has even less utility for self-defense. It is significantly less concealable than a handgun and much more difficult to carry while conducting daily activities. When shot in cities, towns, or other densely populated areas where armed confrontations most often occur, the AR-15 presents at least as great a risk as it does in the home of harming innocent bystanders due to overpenetration. Moreover, public carry of an AR-15 in modern-day America may well “spread[] ‘fear’ or ‘terror’ among the people” due to its frequent and devastating use in mass shootings of innocent civilians— an effect that our common-law tradition has long regarded as incompatible with lawful carry for self-defense.
In sum, the AR-15—with its military origination, combat-functional features, and extraordinary lethality—has “the same basic characteristics, functionality, capabilities, and potential for injury as the” And its all too frequent use in terrorism, mass killing, and police murder shows that the AR-15 offers firepower ill suited and disproportionate to fulfilling the Second Amendment’s purpose of armed self defense. Therefore, just like the M16, the AR-15 is “most useful in military service” and “may be banned” consistent with the Second Amendment. (cites omitted)
— Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals ruling in Bianchi v. Brown
Schrödinger’s AR-15: It can be banned because it’s too powerful and also because its low power compared to other rifles gives it little recoil https://t.co/S89bynD6Rk pic.twitter.com/wF3d9A6hEE
— Firearms Policy Coalition (@gunpolicy) August 6, 2024
What’s interesting is that despite a year-long delay, the Fourth Circuit issued this in time for the Supreme Court to take up the case in the fall, should they choose to do so.
— Firearms Policy Coalition (@gunpolicy) August 6, 2024
Now to get SCOTUS off their dead asses and do something about this.
Probably will have a few other circuits chime in on the topic first.
They shouldn’t. This case was GVRed with the Bruen opinion. Any reason that they come up with to turn it away will be a POS excuse. Thomas and Alito issued a statement that they wanted one of these cases after final review. Here it effin is!!!
Key word was your second, but hopefully you are correct and I am being too guarded with optimism for quick resolution.
Dead Asses? Really,
Yeah, getting tired of hearing that crap…
No cap
Yes, really. AWB’s have been in effect in one place or another for well over 30 years and still spreading.
Ah, if only the 2nd Amendment were about self-defense, maybe they’d have a leg to stand on. Oh, and if Bruen didn’t exist maybe they’d……nevermind. No legs. That dog don’t walk. Put it down SCOTUS.
A little OT, but Mrs Haz and I started watching “The Rifleman” beginning with Episode 1, and are halfway thru the first season. Never saw them before(!), and we’re surprised at how much we’re enjoying them. Simple stories with a strong father figure and obedient son building a life together.
As a kid, I watched The Riflman every week. And Sky King early Saturday mornings
“A little OT,…”
A little more OT, but damn fun to report, guess who just got her AOC ‘Squad’ backside primaried out?
“Israel Lobby Takes Out Second ‘Squad’ Member As Cori Bush Loses Primary”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/israel-lobby-takes-out-second-squad-member-cori-bush-loses-primary
Buh-bye, cupcake… *snicker* 😉
Here is an example of Cori Bush getting schooled on taxes :
https://x.com/DogRightGirl/status/1719319408571474129
The second amendment does not specify any limit on weapons for self defense. The criminals have them so an individual needs nothing less for self defense. The entire idea of banning any type of weapon is to disarm the citizen public so that a tyrannical government can herd us all like sheep to the slaughter. It happened in Nazi Germany, China, Venezuela. It follows an easily recognizable pattern of encroaching on our inalienable rights. They started with free speech by inventing political corectness and are consistently moving to abridge everyone’s rights. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
The second amendment does not specify any limit on weapons for self defense. The criminals have them so an individual needs nothing less for self defense. The entire idea of banning any type of weapon is to disarm the citizen public so that a tyrannical government can herd us all like sheep to the slaughter. It happened in Nazi Germany, China, Venezuela. It follows an easily recognizable pattern of encroaching on our inalienable rights. They started with free speech by inventing political corectness and are consistently moving to abridge everyone’s rights. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
You said that already…
“… the AR-15 offers firepower ill suited and disproportionate to fulfilling the Second Amendment’s purpose of armed self defense.”
Funny how the Fourth Circuit ignored the Miller decision in the 1930s which clearly indicated that the Second Amendment protects any firearm that is useful in the military and the militia.
Furthermore, while the AR-15 may not be an ideal choice for self-defense against one or two common street thugs, it would be approaching the ideal choice for self-defense against a terrorist crew such as the Hamas attack on Israel on October 7th, 2023. Of course it goes without saying that an AR-15 is also approaching an ideal choice for self-defense, or perhaps more accurately our COMMON DEFENSE, if a foreign military invaded or even our own police or military turned on us good citizens.
Now that I think about it, the AR-15 rifle is also a nearly ideal rifle for self-defense, and especially neighborhood defense, in the aftermath of a natural disaster such as a hurricane.
Well, forgetting for a moment that the 4th Circuit clearly knows f*ck-all about “what is suitable for self-defense” (for home defense, for example, it is literally an ideal weapon for dealing with multi-person home invasion scenarios), WHERE did SCOTUS say, in Brue or Heller, that “suitability” was a criterion for their availability? So, the 4th Circuit idiots presume that they have greater knowledge of firearms than literally MILLIONS of US gun owners?? Since when, you @$$clowns??
In general, SCOTUS needs to nut up and issue an opinion on the 2A that just unequivocally says, “No, you idiots, there AREN’T other factors to evaluating gun laws! We told you clearly it was “text and tradition”. By the ‘logic’ of the 4th Circuit (could just as easily be the 9th Circus), the Continental Congress could have legitimately banned the ‘Brown Bess’ musket and it’s functional equivalents. Are you people stupid, or intentionally obtuse??”. I can totally see St. Clarence issuing just such an opinion (he’d use fancier language). As long as SCOTUS relies on the District and Circuit Courts to apply rationality and intellectual consistency, nothing will change – SCOTUS issues a clear opinion, the lower courts IMMEDIATELY start finding ways to ignore/misconstrue it. Just like the proverbial stubborn mule, SCOTUS can be respectful of the dignity of the lower courts – once they whack them a few times with a 2 x 4 to get their attention.
“Well, forgetting for a moment that the 4th Circuit clearly knows f*ck-all about “what is suitable for self-defense” (for home defense, for example, it is literally an ideal weapon for dealing with multi-person home invasion scenarios), WHERE did SCOTUS say, in Brue or Heller, that “suitability” was a criterion for their availability?”
Let’s see if that direct insolence motivates Thomas…
Geoff PR,
That direct insolence requires more than just the U.S. Supreme Court overruling those Fourth Circuit Appellate Judges: that requires actual time in prison. Unfortunately that will never happen and judges in lower courts will continue to defy higher courts. And why shouldn’t judges in lower courts defy higher courts when those judges never pay any personal penalties?
If the AR-15 platform is so ill suited for self defense, why are they being issued to so many civilian police officers? If ARs are truly assault rifles, who are our brave boys in blue planing to assault?
“If the AR-15 platform is so ill suited for self defense, why are they being issued to so many civilian police officers?”
If not select-fire variants…
Let’s set aside, for the moment, the differences between the civilian AR-15 and its military sisters. Let’s also forget, for now, that self-defense and the 2nd Amendment were never limited to muggers on the street and burglars in the night. Let’s go instead right into basic infantry doctrine.
What is the purpose of the individual soldier’s rifle? It’s not to inflict mass casualties. The last time that was even arguably true was back in the days of black powder. Napoleon’s advances in field artillery were the beginning of its end, and the dominance of the machinegun over No Man’s Land in WWI was the final nail in its coffin. No, the purpose of the soldier’s rifle is to defend himself, defend those immediately nearby, and permit maneuvering. Even with a full-auto selector switch, it is by nature a defensive weapon.
Why do they think the police are permitted to use them? Is mass murder and overpowering police a legitimate function of police?
DaveL,
Excellent points.
Putting aside any moral or interest balancing aspects of the ruling (expressly forbidden by SCOTUS in Bruen), there’s this:
appellants have failed to demonstrate that the weapon is suitable for self-defense. and civilian self-defense rarely—if ever—calls for the rapid and uninterrupted discharge of many shots.
Koreans on Rooftops and Kyle Rittenhouse have entered the chat, for starters.
300BlackoutFan,
I was actually thinking about an AR-platform firearm chambered in .300 AAC Blackout (loaded with subsonic cartridges) with a short barrel (perhaps 10-inches) and a suppressor as an OUTSTANDING home defense and self-defense firearm.
Such a firearm would be compact and very maneuverable. It would also enable incredibly accurate defensive shots. Of course it would be hearing-safe. And having 30 cartridges available in the magazine without having to reload would be of utmost value if multiple attackers came calling.
The common possession of a class of weapons by civilian law enforcement and security is itself validation of their appropriate, necessary and protected use by civilians for personal self defense. If they have no use in the defense of myself and my family, then they have no use in the defense of law enforcement officers or government officials and should be confined to use by the military and militia, the latter consisting of all males age 21-65 in my state.
Glad to see you again, Possum, I was worried something happened to ya… 🙂
The AR-15 is to a deer rifle as a 4WD Jeep is to a family sedan.
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