Monkey Business and the SIG P320 Pistol

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In 1987, Gary Hart was the presumptive pick to be the Democratic candidate for President, despite the fact he was rumored to be a “serial womanizer” by Washington insiders. That same rumor had dogged him before, including during the 1984 campaign.

When reporters asked Hart if he’d ever committed adultery, he not only denied it, he challenged them to prove it. “Follow me around,” he said. “I don’t care. I’m serious. If anybody wants to put a tail on me, go ahead. They’d be very bored.”

They did put a tail on him. They weren’t bored. And they were rewarded.

The Miami Herald reported on his womanizing and a now infamous photo of Hart wearing a shirt saying “Monkey Business Crew” with a smiling Donna Rice on his lap surfaced as evidence. Hart’s monkey business was exposed and his political career was over.

There’s an inherent risk involved in challenging the media and/or the general public to do – or not to do – almost anything. Especially in today’s world of near-instant communications and the insatiable hunger for meme-worthy content.

Last week, SIG SAUER issued a press release titled, “The Truth About the P320,” an in-your-face response to repeated allegations, lawsuits, and reports alleging that their immensely popular P320 pistols, primarily the early models, suffered “uncommanded discharges.” For a company that has for years been, at best, reluctant to even discuss the issue off the record, that was quite a declaration. The opening sentence paragraph set the tone:

The P320 CANNOT, under any circumstances, discharge without a trigger pull – that is a fact. The allegations against the P320 are nothing more than individuals seeking to profit or avoid personal responsibility.

From there, the statement went on to say that, “…anti-gun groups, members of the mainstream media, trial attorneys and other uninformed and agenda-driven parties (my italics) have launched attacks on one of SIG SAUER’s most trusted, most tested, most popular products – the P320 pistol.”

SIG’s statement went on to acknowledge that the rhetoric was high, but was driven “by clickbait farming, engagement having grifters” seeking to “hijack the truth for profit.”

The fiery declaration ended with an admonition to the gun industry . . .

Industry, take notice; whats happening today to SIG SAUER with the anti-gun mob and their lawfare tactics will happen tomorrow at another firearms manufacturer, and then another. Today, for SIG SAUER – it ends.

Or maybe not. At least not if the goal of SIG’s statement was to quiet the whisperers.

Today, the whispers are more akin to shouts echoing through social media and the same alternative channels that have defended SIG, the P320 pistol, and the Second Amendment. Some, like the “body piercing” patch from Tactical Gear Junkie employ dark humor.

Bodywork  Piercings by SIG SAUER
Tactical Gear Junkie
A “News Alert” meme is more biting . . .

SIG SAUER meme

Others, like the “retraction demand” from a plaintiff attorney with a less than stellar courtroom record against SIG, have expressed outrage.

Bagnell Law Firm SIG SAUER

But a third, more concerning response looks at a larger single question, not just the concerns that have surrounded the performance of the P320 since its 2017 release. Without expressing an opinion either way, Open Source Defense wonders if overall confidence in SIG SAUER – the company – hasn’t been damaged by the persistent P320 question and SIG’s insistence that there isn’t, and has never been, a safety issue…despite the voluntary upgrade program that was emphatically described at the time as “not a recall.”
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The real issue, OSD concludes, is “whether SIG can be taken at its word as a company.” That question should cause real concern inside SIG’s Newington, New Hampshire headquarters.

Every single day, SIG products are being carried by private citizens, police officers, and soldiers worldwide. SIG’s people have worked long and hard to get the company to where it is today. But being the top dog means more than becoming the de facto standard of excellence to gun owners. It also means becoming the “X-ring” for everyone who takes aim at the industry.

Tossing the gauntlet down and letting them know you’ll stay silent no more, seems like a proper course of action. But doing by describing some of your customers as “negligent” or “anti-gun” or “seeking to profit and avoid personal responsibility” or being part of an “anti-gun mob” engaging in “lawfare” means being willing to face scrutiny, ridicule, or possible rejection by the individuals and law enforcement agencies who helped make you the company you are today.

As Kelly said in 2004’s The Girl Next Door, “You wanna be president? Let me tell you the first rule of politics; Always know if the juice is worth the squeeze.”

We’ll keep you posted.

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8 thoughts on “Monkey Business and the SIG P320 Pistol”

  1. Wait, why would that tank his career? The left loves womanizers. Clinton, Cuomo, Murphy, Newsom, all the Kennedys except RFK Jr. etc….
    All their heroes are white, affluent, entitled, smarmy men who sleep around like skanky soap opera characters.

    1. RFK Jr. also had a reputation as a womanizer.

      I’m old enough to remember when Democrats mocked people for being shocked about Bill Clinton’s affair with an intern in the Oval Office. Then Trump came along, and they lost their minds.

      1. A yahoo news piece ask how long will the Trump administration blame Biden/Harris?
        The gall/nerve of these people after all the years of blaming Trump for everything they can conjure up!

    2. You just described republicans. Try not to forget your boy private bone spurs is a serial adulterer and has been convicted of sexual abuse. Remember when he said I can grab em by the pussy because I’m rich and famous. Both dems and repubs can’t keep it in their pants. You’re an idiot.

      1. “Remember when he said I can grab em by the pussy because I’m rich and famous.”

        Being elected POTUS twice proved he was 1,000 percent *correct*.

        And that’s President Bone-spurs to you, dingbat.

  2. Meanwhile, back on topic:

    Why is it always about the P320? Why does it seem like every unintentional discharge we hear about always seem to feature a P320? Is there something actually different about the P320? And why does SIG insist that it’s safe, in the face of all the incidents?

    I think the answer is pretty damn simple. There IS something different about the P320, while at the same time SIG’s correct in that the trigger MUST be pulled (at least in the newest ones, the original certainly didn’t need the trigger pulled).

    How can these both be true?

    Simple: SIG decided to do away with the trigger safety. Pretty much every competitor has it, for good reasons, but SIG decided to do away with it. And the lack of a trigger safety is the reason P320s are much much more likely to cause a negligent/unintentional discharge.

    Prime example: we had a case reported here recently where a little kid got his finger through a gap in an officer’s holster and pulled the trigger. On the P320, it resulted in a discharge. On any other trigger-safetied pistol, it probably wouldn’t have. With the SIG, any force on the trigger causes it to move. On a trigger safety pistol, you have to push the trigger safety in, and then the trigger will move. So if the kid got his finger in and just pushed on the side of the flat SIG trigger, . If he tried the exact same thing on a Glock, no bam. He’d have to get his finger deeply inside the holster to where he could firmly depress the trigger safety and then the trigger. Possible? Maybe. But safer than the SIG design? Hell yes.

    Same with any other unintentional trigger pull: drawstring in your pocket, keys in your pocket, a pen in your pocket, gripping the pistol wrong, anything can happen at any time, but on the trigger safety pistols there’s at least a mechanism present to make it much harder to unintentionally move that trigger. On the SIG, there’s nothing.

    Think about it: while the P320 is indeed popular, there’s got to be hundreds of millions of non-P320’s out there, but every time we hear about this issue it’s always a P320. And the P320 is different. That difference makes the difference, and SIG is guilty of a bad design and an inherent flaw. They HAVE to fight it, they have to make outlandish statements like this press release, because if they acknowledge the defect then they’re screwed so incredibly hard that they’ll probably be bankrupted by the backlast, recalls, and lawsuits. SIG screwed up. And they’re taking the worst way out they can – by lying about it instead of manning up, issuing a recall, and replacing that stupid flat trigger with the ubiquitous trigger safety.

    So SIG, here’s what you face: you can recall all the P320s out there (and not the offensively stupid “voluntary upgrade” either!) and replace your stupid flat trigger with a safe one, and lose a lot of money… OR, you can bluster, bloviate, lie, pressure, threaten, and argue to try to hide your defective design and lose ALL of your money to lawsuits. Your choice.

    1. When I said ” So if the kid got his finger in and just pushed on the side of the flat SIG trigger, . ” it’s supposed to say “flat SIG trigger, BAM.”